Swifties and Disney Fans have a lot in common! In this episode, Eric is joined by his friend Sarah Jagoda and his daughter Maddie: Two Disney and Taylor Swift fans, to better help him understand the Eras and the Fandom. Together they play a game called EARas (get it like Mickey Ears) where the swifties try to determine which Disney Character best fits the vibe of the era. All the while Eric points out what Taylor was directly working on with the Walt Disney Company during that Era.
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00:10 --> 02:03 We have this coterie of rich franchises. The company now that people want to engage with. I came here to try and continue what Walt Disney and his associates set in motion 50 years ago, which is to experiment with every new and innovative kind of entertainment possible. It's what we hope to do here to really develop something that just, more than an entertainment enterprise, it's something that contributes many other ways. Hey, this is Synergy loves company, where we explore how Disney connects to everything. I'm Eric, and on this show, we always take a look at the Walt Disney company. It's a massive pop cultural icon of Americana. Since its beginning, Disney has evolved and changed with the times. But instead of chasing trends, Disney itself is often a trendsetter, a leader in the industry of entertainment. And you know what that means? A bunch of Diehard Disney fans. It never goes out of style. But hold up, because there's another ever evolving american pop cultural trendsetter whose fans have a reputation for taking the word devotion to a whole new level. Yep, today we're talking about Miss Americana herself, Taylor Swift and Disney, of course. So keeping me company today is one of my swiftiest friends. And one of my disneyest friends, if those can be adjectives. Sarah Jagoda. Welcome to the show.
02:04 --> 02:04 Hi.
02:04 --> 02:26 So I got to start with, this idea for this Taylor Swift and Disney episode comes from something that you sent me last fall that I totally did not understand when you sent it to me, and I was, uh, okay, but you were like, we should do an episode on this. And I had to actually look it up. So could you tell us about what that was?
02:26 --> 02:49 That was a formerly shop Disney post of a chicken tender on a Disney plate with ketchup and ranch, with a caption eating chicken with ketchup and seemingly ranch, which is a reference to Taylor Swift eating the same thing at a cheese game the Sunday prior to posting.
02:49 --> 03:18 And you sent it to me and I was like, cool. I don't know what this means. And I had to google what that meant. But then once I figured it out, I was like, that is an awesome idea. And we started kind of putting some ideas together. And here we are on Taylor Swift and Disney, this episode of Synergy loves Company. So before we get into Taylor Swift and Disney, I got to ask the question. How is the swifty fandom and the Disney fandom similar?
03:18 --> 04:06 Okay, so preparation and liking to have fun. Taylor Swift concerts. You can be whatever age you want. Late 30s, like us, right? And you get to wear sequins and sparkles and whatever you want and you can dress like you're a twelve year old girl or whatever and kind of go back to things that are more fun and enjoy them at the concert. And everyone is doing the same thing. So it's like Disney World, but you get to wear your ears and your merch and deck out like you necessarily wouldn't in everyday life. So that's a big thing. Sort of like everybody loves it, everybody wants to be there. You can be really eccentric about it and still be accepted and safe and comfortable. You don't worry about it.
04:07 --> 04:08 It's that safe place.
04:09 --> 04:11 Yes, safe, happy place.
04:11 --> 04:12 Nice.
04:12 --> 04:51 And then I would say kind of like the preparation and the connections. You can't just kind of go into. I guess you could, but I don't go into a Taylor Swift concert, and I prepared for probably more than six months. You want to know the lyrics, you want to know the connections between albums, between eras. You need to know the aesthetic of everything. It's sort of similar to prepping for a big Disney trip. I'm a more Disney parks fan than anything and doing the research and making your itinerary and doing all of those things nice.
04:51 --> 05:59 So it kind of appeals to that same Disney planner in the Disney parks kind of realm. I like that idea of, I never really thought about it, too, where you can kind of, we can do things like Disney bounding and dress up to go to the parks. But even though, as someone who constantly just wears Disney shirts, like all the time, we don't necessarily always dress in Disney clothes every day in our everyday lives. But in Disney, it's the big event. It's that thing you kind of share in the experience with the people around you there, too. So I like that. I like the fact, too, that you brought up that grownups like us can even get involved with the magic and the fun of either Taylor Swift or Disney, because I also have another guest here with us, and you might remember, if you've listened to the show before, you might remember her from the Perry grip episode that we did early on in the episodes. And that's my daughter Maddie. So, Maddie, when you heard we had a Taylor Swift episode coming up, you're also a swiftie. You had to be part of it. So welcome to the show.
05:59 --> 06:00 Hi.
06:00 --> 06:03 Welcome back, I guess I should say.
06:03 --> 06:03 Well, yeah.
06:04 --> 06:11 So do you agree with some of the stuff Sarah was talking about? Do you have anything to add about being a Disney fan or a Taylor Swift fan?
06:11 --> 06:18 Yeah, they're pretty similar in that they're very big and you do a lot of stuff to prepare for them and stuff like that.
06:18 --> 07:13 Nice. All right, so one of the main reasons I invited both of you here today is because I have a game that I want to play that I'm going to call Taylor Swift eras. And you can't hear that in the podcast, but it's spelled E-A-R-A-S eras, like Mickey Ears. So what we're going to do is we're going to go through each of Taylor Swift's eras, and we're going to try to determine Disney characters that best encapsulate that given era. So we'll hit an album, an era, and you guys tell us what that vibe of that album is and what Disney character would fit that era. We'll also talk about direct connections Taylor Swift had with the Disney company during those different eras. All right, so you guys ready?
07:13 --> 07:14 Yes.
07:14 --> 07:14 Ready?
07:14 --> 07:15 Yeah.
07:15 --> 07:26 Awesome. Let's start in 2006 with Taylor Swift's album, Taylor Swift. The first one, the one where she was.
07:26 --> 07:27 We like to call it debut.
07:28 --> 07:31 It's not just called Taylor Swift what.
07:31 --> 07:34 Is Taylor Swift, but we call it debut.
07:34 --> 07:38 It's just easier because there's her name and then the album. That is her name, and it just needs.
07:38 --> 08:28 I can already tell how this episode's going to go because I said the name of the album and you both corrected me at the same time. So let's get ready to do this. So the big Disney connection I have here is that her music video for teardrops on my guitar would air during the commercial breaks during Disney Channel. Teardrops on my guitar would play, and it kind of coincided with the time when high school musical was being played on Disney Channel a lot, and it was picking up some steam and becoming a cultural phenomenon. So a lot of people might associate early Taylor Swift with high school musical because they were used to seeing that video with the movie whenever they'd watch it on Disney Channel. So for this first era, the debut era, what Disney characters kind of fit the vibe of this debut album?
08:28 --> 08:33 Okay, so debut is green, Eric, it's the first thing you need to know.
08:34 --> 08:46 Wait. When I was talking to Maddie before this, she was talking about colors, and I was like, colors? I mean, sure, a color could be, but colors are that.
08:46 --> 08:47 Yes.
08:47 --> 08:47 Yes.
08:47 --> 08:48 Okay.
08:48 --> 08:50 Yes, they are. See, this is what I was trying to tell you.
08:51 --> 08:51 Okay.
08:51 --> 08:54 It's like the whole vibe is the.
08:54 --> 08:56 Color, and there's like an entire.
08:57 --> 09:01 Okay, so based around the color green, in this case.
09:02 --> 09:25 Okay, so green. My first inclination was Tinkerbell, but I have changed to Ariel because got the green mermaid tail. So it's going to fit the aesthetic. But then there's a song on debut called a place in this world, and it's her first album. She's young. There's, like, young love. So I settled on Ariel.
09:26 --> 09:37 So that's like her I want song. At the beginning of the Disney movie, I would see, like, in my mind, I was like, this one's real country. So are we going to head to Grizzly hall and get some country bears involved?
09:37 --> 09:39 We are not going to do that.
09:39 --> 09:41 But apparently it's more green.
09:41 --> 09:42 Yes.
09:42 --> 09:43 Okay.
09:43 --> 10:02 So I think definitely some sort of princess character because it's like the starter album and all the princesses are trying to come over something and she's trying to get popular at this point. So either Ariel or I was meaning Tiana, because she's trying to make her own restaurant and create.
10:02 --> 10:04 I like that.
10:04 --> 10:06 Tiana is also a good fit.
10:06 --> 11:50 She's trying to make it. Yeah, make it. Okay. So, see, that helps me understand a little bit more about what a Taylor Swift era is. And apparently color is super important. I'm going to learn more about being a swiftie before the day is. Didn't. Taylor Swift didn't do that much else with Disney, we got that. The vibe of this album is Tiana, Ariel kind of green feeling, deep sea kind of green feeling. Tiana green feeling. And now we get into the next era, which is 2000 and eight's fearless. And I think this one is Taylor Swift's Disney era, because this is where the most Disney stuff happens in real life with Taylor Swift. So she stars in, well, costars in the Jonas Brothers 3d concert experience, which went to movie theaters, and she and the Jonas Brothers perform. Should have said no on stage as part of that concert. So she kind of comes out, performs her song, and it's a big part of that show. In addition to that, she was in Hannah Montana, the movie as herself, performing crazier, which I don't think was on an album other than the Hannah Montana soundtrack. And then she also wrote the song you'll always find your way back, that was performed by Hannah Montana or Miley Cyrus in the movie. So she wrote the song, miley performed it for the movie, and then not super Disney Company related. But in 2008, Taylor Swift met Selena Gomez, who I know is part of her squad. Right? Is that what I call it? Her squad?
11:51 --> 11:51 Sure.
11:51 --> 11:53 What is it called? Come on.
11:53 --> 11:55 It doesn't have, like a definite.
11:55 --> 11:57 Does she call her friends like, something?
11:58 --> 11:58 No.
11:59 --> 12:05 I thought she had, like, a name for her friends. Maybe that's just me being squad goals.
12:05 --> 12:06 Is kind of a thing.
12:06 --> 12:07 Okay.
12:07 --> 12:08 Squad kind of works.
12:08 --> 12:53 Okay, so Selena Gomez and Taylor Swift met in 2008 on a double date with Joe and Nick Jonas, which is just very Disney. And to me, it almost seems like at this point in time, Disney was trying really hard to get Taylor Swift to be part of that Disney Channel life that we know. Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, the Jonas brothers, Miley Cyrus. At this time, all those pop stars were coming from Disney, and it seemed like Disney was trying to pull her in. She never went fully in, but she did do a lot of stuff with them at this point in time. So for fearless, her Disney era, who is the Disney character that gives us the vibe of fearless?
12:54 --> 12:58 This one was harder, I feel like, to figure out.
12:59 --> 13:06 I have a couple things. Number one, I'm just going to point out that should have said no is from debut, even though she played it in the fearless era.
13:06 --> 13:16 Yes. Just so you know, I did know that. I did know that. Good job. But it comes after that, when the album came out, so I put it with this one. Yeah.
13:16 --> 13:33 And, I mean, there is a lot of talk about her writing. She writes songs for other people, I think more she just writes songs and then decides that she's not going to sing them. So I would be curious to know more about how she ended up on the Hannah Montana soundtrack. Like, did she have the song or did they ask her to write the song? Do you know?
13:33 --> 14:20 I don't know that for sure. Off the top of my. See, I think that's where my head, when I saw that she wrote a song for the movie, that's when my head went like, whoa. Disney was hardcore, like, courting her to be a Disney star in that they probably were like, hey, be in the movie. You're in the movie. Would you write a song? Like, trying to give her any sort of in on joining the know group of, like, write this song for us. You could be a songwriter, be in the movies, all this kind of stuff. So I'm guessing my guess would be they either asked her to submit songs and picked a couple of them or they may have even asked her to write it for the movie.
14:22 --> 14:26 All right, so do you know the fearless color fearless is?
14:26 --> 14:43 So I will say I physically owned debut Fearless and speak now. Although color is going to be a problem for speak now for me because I had the target one. Spoiler alert. But anyway, come on. The target edition, which was red.
14:43 --> 14:44 It was red.
14:44 --> 14:48 But in fearless, it's very gold and sparkly.
14:48 --> 15:02 Okay. Gold, yellowish for fearless. So my proposal is we're going to go Belle yellow dress. And then I'm thinking love story music video aesthetic.
15:02 --> 15:03 Yes.
15:03 --> 15:11 Like the whole Romeo and Juliet situation. But she is in a dress that has got the belle dress aesthetic.
15:11 --> 15:13 It does kind of look. Yeah.
15:13 --> 15:25 And then we can go with kind of. There's like a princess fairy tale vibe. Right. We've got love story, white horse. And then I was thinking, you belong with me, belle and beast. So I went, belle.
15:25 --> 15:28 I like Belle. I think that works.
15:28 --> 15:31 It's enchanted, but that's a different.
15:33 --> 15:33 Area.
15:33 --> 15:37 But, like, that enchanting princess kind of magical kind of feel.
15:37 --> 15:38 But we have to wait until also.
15:39 --> 16:01 Belle is very fearless. If I could throw that out there in that she would have to go to. She goes into the beast's castle and trades her life with her dad's. I could get behind that. See, at first I was like, are you just saying it because of the color? I'm never going to live this color thing down. I'm just going to be like, is it really that much about color?
16:01 --> 16:04 Okay, then you tell us, who do you think it should be?
16:04 --> 16:21 I don't know exactly, but I didn't know that color was going to have this much to do with it. But no, I'll get behind Belle for fearless because that works for me. That works. I like that. I like that. Is that what. You guys were both kind of on that same wavelength.
16:21 --> 16:24 I agree. That makes a lot of sense.
16:24 --> 17:14 Okay, so I already kind of previewed this next era that we're getting into. Taylor Swift starts dialing back off of doing as much with Disney. Like I said, fearless was that one. She has so many things that she did mostly with Disney Channel stars, but in 2010 with speak now we only get one little bit more Disney Channel, that is. But we get Taylor Swift appearing on a very tiny talk show with Phineas and Ferb. And it's called Take two. And it's their, like, two minute talk show where they interview a big star. They mention in the little interview that Candice would be jealous. Their sister. It seems like Candace is a swiftie herself and she just kind of talks about being Taylor Swift and performing concerts, and it's Phineas and Ferb now. Sarah, what's your familiarity with phineas and Ferb?
17:14 --> 17:18 Not a lot. I watched the clip. I have not seen it before.
17:18 --> 17:19 Gotcha.
17:19 --> 17:21 I watched that whole series, like, probably twice.
17:22 --> 17:31 I was going to say, this is where Maddie's Disney channel expertise will come in. So Phineas and Ferb and Taylor Swift. What's the vibe of phineas and, um.
17:31 --> 17:43 I think it's kind of weird that she was on something to do with phineas and ferb, because phineas and Ferb is really strange, and it doesn't make sense half the time, and it's goofy. So I think it was kind of a weird choice.
17:44 --> 18:06 That's of her era that she was in at that time. So let's talk about the era. The speak now era. As I said, color would be a problem for me because when I bought the CD way back when, I bought the target deluxe edition that had her in red on the front because of target instead of the purple color that she should have been. But is purple going to play into this speak now?
18:06 --> 18:12 Taylor's version is purple, so we will go with speak now tv. The color is purple, right, Maddie?
18:12 --> 18:14 Yes, purple, definitely.
18:14 --> 18:18 Okay, I am going to go Rapunzel.
18:18 --> 18:35 I think that's where I was heading. Like, especially on the Taylor's version cover, she has, like, a big, flowy dress, and it's very princessy, like, the vibe from that. And, like you were saying, enchanted is from that era album, so it works with Rapunzel.
18:35 --> 18:43 Well, if Enchanted is on the album, why wouldn't you pick Giselle from Enchanted? Can I ask that question? Why does that not work?
18:43 --> 18:45 I didn't like enchanted, the movie.
18:46 --> 18:46 You didn't?
18:47 --> 18:51 Not really. Okay, so, Rapunzel, also, there's no purple.
18:51 --> 18:57 Connection, but it doesn't fit, like, the purple vibe because it has to fit.
18:57 --> 18:58 The aesthetic of the era.
18:58 --> 19:20 It's not just purple. It's like the whole vibe that goes with purple. So it's like, purple is like. No, now is more like princessy, flowy, pretty purple. Okay, so there's, like, a whole vibe that goes with the color. It's not just the color aesthetic vibe.
19:20 --> 19:22 Color, hairstyle.
19:22 --> 19:22 Yes.
19:23 --> 19:27 Hairstyle, theming. It's like font.
19:27 --> 19:29 Musical style, too.
19:29 --> 19:32 Yeah. Think about the font. Yes.
19:32 --> 19:47 She changes per era. Right. I once heard her say in an interview, it's because she wants to look at a picture and know what era she was in. She'll be able to say, oh, that was my speak now hairstyle and outfits. She changes her clothes.
19:47 --> 19:53 Like, what she wears out in public is different. It just totally changes when it's a new between air.
19:53 --> 19:55 She's got a whole new vibe.
19:55 --> 19:55 Yes.
19:55 --> 19:57 So we're thinking Rapunzel.
19:57 --> 19:58 Yes.
19:58 --> 20:03 Is speak now because it's not just the purple, though.
20:03 --> 20:14 Okay, so we've got Rapunzel, and then there's like the Flyn Rider love story situation. And then there's like finding her parents sort of coming of age.
20:14 --> 20:42 Yeah. Multiple mean, would you say? And this, maybe I'm being horribly off base for swifties and jump all over me if I am, but would you say that kind of, if you zoom out and look at the eras the debut through speak now are more related than where we're going next? Yes, that's the kind of vibe I got from them.
20:42 --> 20:56 So each of the albums kind of has sort of like, some people call them like sister albums that they kind of go together more than others do. Like when you're comparing them, some of them are more related or similar in style than others.
20:56 --> 20:58 And are these three often lumped together?
20:59 --> 21:01 These ones are pretty similar. The first three.
21:02 --> 21:03 The first three.
21:03 --> 21:05 I'm not off base for saying that.
21:05 --> 21:10 You're not off base and speak now is she wrote the entire album herself?
21:10 --> 21:14 Yes, it's the only one that's kind of Rapunzel.
21:14 --> 21:16 She just wanted to do like her.
21:16 --> 21:24 Own thing, being that Rapunzel is a songwriter trying to do her own thing. Yes, I'll say that. I'll give you that.
21:24 --> 21:27 And it will tie into your next.
21:27 --> 22:28 Yes, let's get into the next one. Because someone else must have thought that Taylor Swift had Rapunzel vibes, because even though we're getting into the red era during this time, she posed for a Disney dream portrait, which was this cool ad campaign back in the mid two thousand s or the two thousand and ten s, I'll say, where Annie Liebowitz, famous photographer Annie Liebowitz would photograph celebrities in Disney situations is what I'll say. They had some that would be Disney parks related, some that were Disney movie related, and they would promote Disney as a company, Disney Parks, all sorts of Disney all over the place. And so Taylor Swift got to pose for a Disney dream portrait, and she was portrayed as Rapunzel sitting up in the tower with kind of her hair just kind of coiling all around the tower. So someone definitely, I think, probably got that speak now Rapunzel vibe and jumped on it for this portrait. Even though it comes out in the red era.
22:28 --> 22:34 Did they take the picture in the speak now era and bring it out in the red era, or how did that work?
22:34 --> 22:48 I mean, it's possible that it was taken before red came out. So red comes out in 2012. Right. The dream portrait of Taylor Swift came out the year later, so it's hard to tell when they took the picture.
22:48 --> 22:56 Yeah, looking at the picture, it did look more speak now ish than it did match with the red era, just in general.
22:56 --> 22:56 Okay.
22:57 --> 22:59 So I was wondering if it had anything.
22:59 --> 23:11 Yeah. And they might have taken it before, but we are now in the red era. She starts pumping the brakes on what she does with Disney coming up into this red era.
23:11 --> 23:12 There's a lot less after this.
23:12 --> 23:20 You might start to wonder if Taylor Swift and Disney are ever getting back together at this point.
23:22 --> 23:34 Oh, funny. The funniest thing I can say about that song is that when Andrew and I were getting married, that was the single on the radio. So I'm, like, running pre wedding, so we are never, ever getting back together.
23:34 --> 23:56 That was your wedding song? No. And I will mention right now, because you did mention Andrew, and I said bring him up at some point because he has the esteemed pleasure before Maddie now being the two time guest, but he was the only two time synergy loves company guest before Maddie. Now they're me, too. Yes. Red.
23:57 --> 23:57 Yes.
23:57 --> 24:00 The red era is kind of transitional.
24:01 --> 24:01 Yeah.
24:01 --> 24:08 Right. The album's criticized for not being sonically cohesive. There's a little country starting to go pop.
24:08 --> 24:14 It's where she's, like, turning into more of what we see next and then fading out of what we've seen.
24:14 --> 24:18 You just said, I got an idea. Should I say mine?
24:19 --> 24:20 Are you thinking of turning red?
24:20 --> 24:29 Yeah. Because you said she's red and she's turning into something else. So that's my guess. What did you guys think?
24:29 --> 24:32 I have a lot for this one. It's hard. Okay. Because the red is there.
24:32 --> 24:33 So many different.
24:34 --> 24:50 Like, the red is important, number one. And then there was kind of this black and white stripes movement that went with it. And the Red tour was the first tour that I saw in person in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
24:51 --> 24:51 Nice.
24:54 --> 25:02 And the ending of the red tour, she does this whole circus ringmaster moment, right?
25:02 --> 25:03 Yes.
25:03 --> 25:07 She does, like, full costumes, circus, everything.
25:07 --> 25:16 It's totally changed. She's the greatest showman, basically. It's kind of that which is literally.
25:16 --> 25:20 Adjacent because it was fox. But anyways.
25:20 --> 25:21 Yeah.
25:21 --> 25:42 So she looks like the ringmaster, which we could call on Dumbo and be like, she's the ringmaster, but it's a horrible character, so I just can't live with that. Can't live with it. The look is okay, but everything else is wrong. Then next thought, I was, like, queen of hearts fits the red, white and black aesthetic.
25:42 --> 25:44 Is she too evil, though?
25:44 --> 25:46 But she's not right.
25:46 --> 25:50 It's not like, the same sound. It's more like she's evil.
25:50 --> 26:05 So then I'm going to totally drop the aesthetic and the vibe and give red to Anna. Based on. I see that the breakup with Hans.
26:05 --> 26:05 Yes.
26:05 --> 26:18 We are ever, ever getting back together. All of the horrible things, like, all too well came from that album. I almost do my favorite Taylor Swift song. And then it ends with begin again, right?
26:18 --> 26:19 Yes.
26:19 --> 26:24 Then she starts with Kristoff. So I'm dropping the aesthetic and the color. I went Anna.
26:25 --> 26:28 So are we doing Anna from frozen one? The first one?
26:28 --> 26:36 Yeah, I think Anna from Frozen one, I think. I did consider your turning red, but I like it.
26:36 --> 26:42 See, now we totally switched. So now she's not going with the colors and you are. See how this works?
26:42 --> 26:50 That's true. You got me there. You got me there. But you said it was, like, a transitional time in Malin's.
26:50 --> 26:53 So you're suggesting it's Malin as your character.
26:53 --> 26:56 That was what I was guessing. But you guys seem to think that maybe Anna.
26:56 --> 26:57 I like Anna better.
26:58 --> 26:59 Okay, well, there you go.
26:59 --> 27:00 I think her as a character.
27:00 --> 27:02 I can hear that, though.
27:02 --> 27:05 Than Malin. It just makes more sense.
27:05 --> 27:11 Okay. I like that. So it's not always color, but color plays a big part.
27:11 --> 27:12 Yes.
27:12 --> 27:20 Ana does wear lots of pink, which is kind of similar. Like a darker pinkish color. Yeah, it kind of works.
27:20 --> 27:30 You can make it work well. And I will say, if you're telling me that red itself is talked about as being all over the place, Anna's a little all over the place, isn't she?
27:30 --> 27:31 She is.
27:31 --> 28:07 Like, as a character. Yeah. Which is kind of another cool connection there. All right, so red, like I said, we kind of dial back the direct Disney connections when we get into these next few eras. So we'll go into 1989, which was in 2014. I'm just throwing years around at this point. You are. And, Sarah, you had to come up with a disneyish connection for us on this one because I didn't even know enough about that. So you added Wonderland to our list. What about Wonderland screams Disney to you?
28:07 --> 28:10 It is an Alice in Wonderland track.
28:10 --> 28:12 It definitely is.
28:12 --> 28:14 I mean, I probably should have picked up on that, right?
28:14 --> 28:34 Going down the rabbit hole, Cheshire cat. So it's like we found Wonderland. So her and her partner are kind of in this chaotic place in love, but it is for sure got all of the Alice in Wonderland references.
28:35 --> 28:35 Yes.
28:36 --> 28:36 Nice.
28:36 --> 28:37 It does.
28:38 --> 28:42 So does that mean 1989 is Alice?
28:42 --> 28:47 I don't think we can jump that quickly to Alice now. We need to think about first.
28:47 --> 28:48 I'm going to go back to colors a second.
28:48 --> 28:49 Okay.
28:49 --> 28:51 I got to ask a color question about 1989.
28:52 --> 28:52 Okay.
28:52 --> 29:14 Because when Maddie got the Taylor's version vinyl and it was blue, I was like, that's interesting, because 1989 used to be, like, black, white, and red. Like, polaroid picture with, like, sepia tones. Because polaroid colors are bad, because that's what the album looked like way back in the day. So how did you get blue from that?
29:14 --> 29:26 She did kind of change it, like, through the clothes she started wearing when she was performing the songs. They started to get more, like this light, bluish color that we see in the Taylor's version. Once she released that, it turned more blue.
29:26 --> 29:35 Did that change while she was touring for 1989 or during the Taylor's version? Part of. Tell me about that.
29:35 --> 29:42 So we adopt Taylor's version of everything. 1989 OG does not exist anymore.
29:42 --> 29:42 Okay.
29:42 --> 29:43 Yes.
29:43 --> 29:45 Well, yeah, because. Down with Scooter Braun.
29:45 --> 29:46 Exactly.
29:47 --> 29:49 So we're thinking about this.
29:49 --> 30:05 I mean, I will say the blue. So she had the COVID shirt with the seagulls that she designed. Like, it was the Taylor merch was the blue, and she sold that during that era. So I think that's where it comes from.
30:05 --> 30:05 Okay.
30:07 --> 30:14 The straight blue. Now, I will say 1989 is one of my least favorite albums, which everyone is.
30:14 --> 30:16 I don't know why. I don't know why.
30:16 --> 30:19 That is not my vibe. I don't know what happened.
30:19 --> 30:22 I liked that one. I think I had that one on CD, too.
30:22 --> 30:30 That's the one that, when I was little, we would listen to it. It would come on the radio a lot. So I knew most of the songs, which I think that's why it's one of my favorites.
30:30 --> 30:30 That's when you.
30:30 --> 30:34 Because I was the most familiar with it when I was little.
30:37 --> 31:09 I saw the 1989 tour. Andrew and I went, it was not a great era for her. It can go both ways. So it was her first amazing, most popular album. Broke all these records. But personally, she went through a lot. She talks about it in Miss Americana. Right. She kind of had a bit of an eating disorder. Felt all this pressure to be kind of an unhealthy version of herself, to put on that Persona.
31:09 --> 31:10 Like a traditional.
31:11 --> 31:22 Yeah. She tried to be a pop star more than being with the vibes that she had as a person. She went more like trying to create pop music more.
31:22 --> 31:28 So she's trying to be a different version of herself that she doesn't necessarily like.
31:28 --> 31:30 She was, like, forcing the pop songs.
31:30 --> 31:33 Even though the pop songs are some.
31:33 --> 31:36 Of her most successful, they did get popular.
31:37 --> 31:46 And she wrote with Shellback and Max Martin. Right. So that was like, super in sync back street boys writing pop people.
31:46 --> 32:08 So how does that translate to a 1989 era selection of a Disney character in that she had her most successful time, but she also maybe regrets some of her choices at that time or the vibe of it or now what? Taylor's version has become kind of that redemption story, maybe. I don't know. What's the vibe of this one?
32:09 --> 32:12 Maddie, I'm going to tag you in here.
32:12 --> 32:17 This one's hard. I feel like I couldn't decide. Figure this one out.
32:17 --> 32:20 Can I ask you, is it.
32:21 --> 32:24 I just thought of a new character. I want it to be, but I.
32:24 --> 32:46 Was just going to ask, is it Isabella from Encanto? And that everyone thought she was perfect. Flowery, but really on the inside, she wanted to be prickly, and she doesn't always want to be perfect, even though she had to keep up that appearance. Does that work?
32:48 --> 32:54 Okay. It's, like, different. It doesn't work.
32:54 --> 32:55 Okay, so then what?
32:55 --> 33:16 It doesn't work enough to discard the bad aesthetic doesn't mean. Okay, so I was going to stick with Alice. I just told you it's one of my least favorite albums. But only because she puts Wonderland in there. So she's down that rabbit hole. Right?
33:16 --> 33:17 That's true.
33:17 --> 33:21 Is welcome to the right color.
33:21 --> 33:24 Alice is like. It's like the same color. It's there.
33:24 --> 33:30 But then I was just thinking, what about the color?
33:30 --> 33:31 The genie is also the right color.
33:31 --> 33:36 The genie is super pop, too. I would say that genie is totally pop culture.
33:36 --> 33:39 That's the one I just thought of. I think the genie wins.
33:39 --> 33:40 The genie.
33:40 --> 33:44 Can there be, like, a mix of Alice and the genie? Can that be a thing?
33:44 --> 33:56 Out of any two Disney characters, that could be. That's only one of the combinations that could work because the genie can turn himself into anything. So the genie could be, like, in the form of Alice and then. There you go.
33:56 --> 33:57 Okay.
33:57 --> 33:57 Right?
33:57 --> 34:03 That's a little bit weird, but okay. I see where you're going. I like, like. I think we should go with Genie for this one.
34:03 --> 34:04 We're going to lock in Genie.
34:04 --> 34:05 Yes.
34:05 --> 34:05 Sweet.
34:05 --> 34:06 Agreed.
34:06 --> 34:51 Cool. All right, let's go. Moving on to another. Ooh, I like this one era, which is 2000 and seventeen's reputation, and we don't get a Taylor swift doing anything with Disney in this situation. But Meg Donnelly, star of zombies, covers this Taylor Swift song. Look what you made me do on Disney's hall of villains, which was a Halloween special. Zombies is pretty awesome. Meg Donnelly is pretty awesome. We would watch her in american housewife. I know. In our house, too. Yeah. And so I enjoyed this cover, and it kind of pulls out the villainy of maybe this reputation era. And not to say that Taylor Swift is a villain in this era. I don't think I would call her that.
34:52 --> 34:59 I think when you're saying villain, you're also thinking about the color. Do you know what the color is for this?
34:59 --> 35:02 It's black and white with that old english font. Right.
35:02 --> 35:05 It's like a newspaper lettery, kind of, isn't it?
35:05 --> 35:07 Kind of close to an old English.
35:07 --> 35:09 I would go straight black.
35:10 --> 35:13 Yeah. I don't think it's very. It's just, like, dark colors.
35:13 --> 35:15 Okay. So this one's going to be black.
35:15 --> 35:17 Hairstyle, because dark clothes, you got to.
35:17 --> 35:20 Be careful how, if you're going to go into the realm of villains, I.
35:20 --> 35:24 Think it's easy to just say that it's a villain, but I think we need to go deeper.
35:24 --> 35:34 But you have to think about, is Taylor Swift in this era really that evil as some of the villains that are some of our options? So what do you think? Who's our era for? Reputation.
35:34 --> 35:43 Okay, so reputation, it's got a little villain era, but it's also a love album. It's a falling in love album.
35:43 --> 35:45 Love and villains.
35:46 --> 35:51 I have a question. Can we do Marvel and Star wars?
35:51 --> 35:52 Sure.
35:52 --> 35:53 Okay.
35:54 --> 35:56 They're owned by Disney. It's all.
35:56 --> 35:58 See. I see. Let me think about this.
35:59 --> 36:03 Okay. I will give you mine. It is a villain, but I think it's a misunderstood villain.
36:03 --> 36:04 That's good.
36:04 --> 36:05 Moment.
36:05 --> 36:07 See, that's what we were looking for.
36:07 --> 36:13 I went Maleficent, and then you go into the Maleficent live action film.
36:13 --> 36:13 Right?
36:14 --> 36:14 True.
36:15 --> 36:18 It kind of works because that Maleficent is.
36:18 --> 36:30 Well, the whole reason she is considered a villain is because she wasn't invited, and she got upset. So it wasn't like she just always was evil. It was more.
36:32 --> 36:41 If you watch her. You're right. The story of her origin in the Maleficent movie. Yeah. She wasn't always evil, but she gets pretty darn.
36:44 --> 36:46 You know, she was bad.
36:47 --> 36:51 Exactly. It kind of fits, like, the snake aesthetic. Maleficent's dragon.
36:52 --> 36:53 We do have to talk about the snake.
36:53 --> 36:56 Dad, did you know what about Jafar as a snake?
36:56 --> 36:57 No.
36:57 --> 36:58 That doesn't work, though.
36:58 --> 36:59 No.
36:59 --> 37:00 Okay.
37:00 --> 37:05 Just because it's a snake. Okay. It's just like, snakes in general are.
37:05 --> 37:12 Like, what about from the jungle book? No, that's not the right kind of snake.
37:12 --> 37:14 You can't just say because it's a snake.
37:14 --> 37:15 Sir hiss from Robin.
37:15 --> 37:16 No. Stop listing snakes.
37:16 --> 37:18 I'm just listing Disney snakes.
37:21 --> 37:27 Snakes are, like, it fits, but it doesn't need to be a snake specifically. Okay.
37:28 --> 37:33 What is your hang out with snakes? What's your marvel idea? Do you have one?
37:33 --> 37:49 I was just thinking, because that would open up more characters who are, like, villainy, like Star wars and Marvel. There are more villains, but like, what? Evil characters. Okay. So I don't know that much about it. But isn't, like, sometimes good and sometimes evil?
37:50 --> 37:58 Like, as a person, a Loki aesthetic for reputation? He's kind of trickstery, and he is sometimes the villain.
37:58 --> 38:02 Sometimes he switches. Sometimes he's the villain. Sometimes he's, like, the good guy.
38:02 --> 38:06 That one's pretty good, I will say. Okay, back to my Maleficent.
38:07 --> 38:07 Yeah.
38:08 --> 38:14 It was more so people making her the villain. She wasn't the villain. Right, Taylor? Not Maleficent.
38:15 --> 38:16 That's true.
38:16 --> 38:26 Okay, now I'm going to just point out that Loki and Maleficent both use green. I'm just going to put that out there.
38:26 --> 38:28 There is an underlying green.
38:29 --> 38:31 It's like a dark green.
38:31 --> 38:35 See, I was thinking just black and white, emerald green.
38:35 --> 38:36 So that would work for Maleficent.
38:36 --> 38:43 When I've done my swifty like nails before, sometimes reputation is emerald y green.
38:44 --> 38:51 So both of those would work in ways beyond what I initially understood. Maleficent and Loki.
38:51 --> 38:55 Maleficent is more of a darker green color than Loki is.
38:55 --> 38:57 Loki has a few different ones.
38:57 --> 38:58 That's true.
38:58 --> 39:22 And Loki. I'm just going to give a shout out to the multiverse for a second. If we get into Marvel, because Taylor Swift does this thing, and maybe reputation is not the time to talk about it, but I think it's around this time, reputation, where she does some things in her music videos, which I've seen because I live in the same house as Maddie, where she has different versions of herself talking to each other.
39:22 --> 39:25 That was in which music video, but, yeah, that was the one where it.
39:25 --> 39:28 Was like, look what you made me do.
39:28 --> 39:33 I think you're right. And then it was like, all of the different from the past eras. Like all the different costumes she wore.
39:33 --> 39:35 Past Taylor's because she killed them.
39:36 --> 40:13 Yes. Which is like when you go and you watch Loki, and there's Loki and the variants. There's the alligator Loki, and there's the different versions of what Loki could be at different times. Reputation has got some of that going on, too. So I just have to give a shout out to the multiverse of Taylor Swift at this. All right, so I like them. That's and you both picked villains with redemption, so it's not like they're the worst. Yeah, it's not like you picked Chernabog. He's just the worst.
40:13 --> 40:14 Right? Okay.
40:14 --> 40:15 Like from fantasia.
40:17 --> 40:20 Okay. I did not know what you were talking.
40:20 --> 40:24 And you live in this house and you don't know who Chernobyl is.
40:24 --> 40:29 Sometimes you start talking and then it's like. It's just know too much.
40:30 --> 40:32 You need to calm down.
40:32 --> 40:36 Stop referencing. We're not there yet. We are not there yet.
40:36 --> 40:37 Are we almost there? It's next.
40:37 --> 40:38 Okay.
40:38 --> 40:39 So let's go to it.
40:39 --> 40:39 Okay.
40:39 --> 40:40 Keep going.
40:40 --> 40:41 Then continue.
40:41 --> 41:30 As I say, you need to calm down because I don't know where any of these song lyric references fit in this point in time, but we got to lover in 2019. And this is when Taylor Swift directly comes back to Disney. They do get back together because during the pandemic, I think this one's released when we were all locked down at home, or at least it became popular at that time. Taylor Swift's City of Lover concert comes out on Disney plus for all of us to watch at home, which was a nice thing for her to do with Disney plus help Disney plus out. It helped Taylor Swift out. It was some nice synergy, some working together to make something nice for all the fans of Disney and Taylor Swift. But lover, we get. I do know what lover looks like. It's like the pinky bluey, like cloudy kind of.
41:30 --> 41:31 I have a question.
41:31 --> 41:32 Yeah.
41:32 --> 41:35 Pink or blue? You have to pick one.
41:35 --> 41:36 Do you have to pick one?
41:36 --> 41:40 No, I need you to pick one just for the sake of knowing what you think about.
41:40 --> 41:46 I would go more pink if 1989 is indeed light blue because I would want them to be as different as possible.
41:46 --> 41:47 I agree.
41:47 --> 41:48 I go pink, too.
41:48 --> 41:57 On the COVID she has, like, a tie dye ish kind of vibe going on in the background of her cover, and she has, like, the pink.
41:57 --> 41:59 She had a pink hair during this era, too.
41:59 --> 42:00 She did.
42:00 --> 42:04 I think it's the only era that she's colored her hair in, actually.
42:04 --> 42:08 She did. Like, didn't she do the ends pink, like the bottom part?
42:08 --> 42:09 Yes.
42:09 --> 42:16 Okay, so lover is a little bit. I kind of dropped the aesthetic again, Eric. I'm sorry.
42:16 --> 42:17 That's okay.
42:17 --> 42:19 That's what he wanted him at first.
42:19 --> 42:22 Well, that's what I was thinking more about the vibe of the music man.
42:24 --> 42:25 Come on.
42:26 --> 42:33 My aesthetic pick, I think would be Aurora in the pink dress, but my actual pick is Mulan.
42:34 --> 42:38 Interesting. I got to ask more about that. But what do you think about those.
42:38 --> 42:39 I like Mulan.
42:39 --> 42:51 I'm going to ask, why couldn't it be. So if we got this idea of the blue and the pink, and we all picked the pink, why couldn't it just be Aurora in the changing dress? Because we're going from blue to pink to blue.
42:52 --> 42:53 It could be.
42:53 --> 42:54 It could be.
42:54 --> 42:57 But we're going to land on pink. Okay, but what's Mulan.
42:58 --> 42:59 Okay.
43:00 --> 43:01 What's that all about?
43:01 --> 43:02 Yeah, the man.
43:03 --> 43:06 Yes. She has a song called the man. Have you ever heard that song?
43:06 --> 43:07 You know, the song the man?
43:07 --> 43:12 No, I assumed he didn't. Okay, tell me about that.
43:12 --> 43:14 Well, yeah, I'm sure you'll play it for me.
43:14 --> 43:14 Oh, yes.
43:14 --> 43:16 But what is the man?
43:17 --> 43:27 The man is basically like. The lyric is like, I'm so sick of running as fast as I can. I'd get there quicker if I was the man.
43:27 --> 43:30 Oh, yeah. That's very Mulan.
43:31 --> 43:33 And Mulan also has a love story.
43:33 --> 43:34 I like that.
43:34 --> 43:35 That's true.
43:35 --> 43:35 I like that.
43:35 --> 43:38 Does she look at her reflection on this album at all?
43:39 --> 43:39 A little bit.
43:39 --> 43:40 Okay. Come on.
43:40 --> 43:41 She does.
43:44 --> 44:01 So lover is less of a love story album than reputation, actually, love and lover is more. I mean, there are parts where it's like, they're so in love, but then there's parts where it's, like, more fragile and kind of anxiety provoking.
44:01 --> 44:01 Gotcha.
44:01 --> 44:09 In lover, we have songs like, you need to calm down. That you were referencing. Yeah, stuff like that. So I agree. I like.
44:10 --> 44:38 And that's weird, because if I would just look at all of the covers and if you were to ask me which one is the most Mulan, I would have probably picked reputation. Like, if you would just show me all the Taylor Swift album covers and asked me to pick one that represents Mulan, I don't know that I would have gotten her from. But I don't know the music as well as you guys do and the story of the albums. But I just find that interesting. A lover, not a fighter, but.
44:40 --> 44:43 Like, Mulan wins. That one's, like, definitely.
44:43 --> 44:52 See, I'm learning stuff. That's what I like. I like to learn stuff about these vibes, these eras. All right.
44:52 --> 44:54 I'm excited for these ones.
44:54 --> 45:21 So this gets into something, from what I understand, is totally, our next era is totally kind of a switch in feel and vibe and whatnot here, because we get into 2020s, folklore, folklore and evermore. Now, when I was saying that these two go together, I was getting a little lip this morning from the swifty in the house. Okay. You said they go together, but they do.
45:21 --> 45:24 But they're not like the exact same.
45:26 --> 45:27 They're sisters.
45:27 --> 45:29 Yes, they're like the sister album situation.
45:29 --> 45:33 Should we talk about them together or should we separate them out?
45:33 --> 45:34 Separate.
45:34 --> 46:02 Okay. With Folklore, we got another Disney plus special. And this one, I think, is, truthfully, I haven't watched the Disney plus special, so, sarah, you might have to fill us in on this. But from what I understand, folklore, the long Pond studio sessions, which came to Disney plus was kind of like more of a behind the scenes in the studio making of kind of situation. No, what is it? It's not a concert film. Like City of Lover was so.
46:02 --> 46:20 Was more of a moment of pandemic. She couldn't play it live, so they got together and just played the entire album. They talked about it a little, but it's not a lot. I mean, there's some making up. But the point of it was, let's get together and actually play this music.
46:21 --> 46:23 Together in the same.
46:23 --> 46:24 Out loud for the first time.
46:24 --> 46:28 It was getting the music out like, kind of like.
46:28 --> 46:46 Because making. It was so secluded and they weren't together. Like they're making an album across the country from each other, all of these parties. So we've got like, Aaron Dustner, Jack Antoff, Bone Iver, Justin Vernon. Right.
46:47 --> 46:49 And so they made it remotely.
46:49 --> 46:50 Yeah.
46:50 --> 46:54 And then came together for this, all of them.
46:54 --> 47:00 Justin Vernon was kind of like, zoomed in, but, yeah. So it's Aaron Taylor and Jack Ansonoff.
47:00 --> 47:00 Okay.
47:01 --> 47:03 Playing the album like it needs to be.
47:04 --> 47:05 I did.
47:05 --> 47:12 And then I do. I mean, there's the history of the long pond studio and recording there and all of that. But that was kind of the point.
47:12 --> 47:41 Of it to come together. Now, I did hear that while they were doing the long Pond studio sessions, recording that film she was working on Evermore. So that's one thing I will say is a connection there and that some of evermore may have come out of events of the long Pond studio session. But let's stay with folklore for a second because we have to do the Disney character. We have to find the era Disney.
47:42 --> 47:48 So honestly, I don't know. Do you know what color this one is, dad?
47:48 --> 47:49 Isn't this one flannel?
47:49 --> 47:52 That's the wrong one. That's evermore.
47:52 --> 47:52 Okay.
47:52 --> 47:52 No, no.
47:52 --> 47:54 What's the color of this one then?
47:54 --> 47:56 Like grays.
47:56 --> 47:58 Like gray.
47:58 --> 47:59 It's not black.
47:59 --> 48:01 They're just very neutral.
48:01 --> 48:01 Yes.
48:02 --> 48:06 So khaki is khaki work more evermore.
48:08 --> 48:12 So folklore, folklore is like. It's like lighter grays.
48:12 --> 48:21 Now, does the album have anything to actually do with folklore? Because a lot of Disney movies come from folklore of around a little.
48:22 --> 48:29 Okay. There's a little. And it is definitely. She wanted to make move to more of a folk Music style. Right.
48:29 --> 48:29 Okay.
48:30 --> 48:34 So she does a lot more storytelling in folklore.
48:34 --> 48:36 I was going to say we had to explain this.
48:36 --> 48:50 I got one third party storytelling than she does anywhere else. There's three songs on the album that go together. It's the song August, the song Betty, and the song Cardigan.
48:50 --> 48:53 Yes. So she was playing around with storytelling.
48:53 --> 48:59 And then we've also got the Rebecca Harkness song, the last great american dynasty.
48:59 --> 49:00 I love that song.
49:00 --> 49:21 She's telling stories about other people. The idea I had immediately, the troubadour rooster in Robin Hood who sings Udalali, robin Hood and little John walking through the forest. It's a folk song. Does that work?
49:21 --> 49:25 Okay, so we need to move to the Cardigan music video.
49:25 --> 49:26 Okay.
49:26 --> 49:30 You're going to just totally disregard my.
49:30 --> 49:33 Rob, that didn't happen. We're going to move on.
49:33 --> 49:33 Okay.
49:33 --> 50:18 I don't even have the best answer for this, but I will. Cardigan. We have the line Peter losing Wendy. Oh, so we're going direct Disney reference. Right. And then the music video for Cardigan is like her sort of jumping into her piano, and then she ends up in the woods. And then she jumps into. What does she jump into in the woods? I don't even remember. Ends up in this water scene. So she's like, telling the story, the cardigan story, but shifting into these kind of Neverland like places. I still actually don't think the character for this album is from Peter Pan, but Disney there.
50:18 --> 50:22 I can't decide on folklore. Like, it's like. I don't know. I don't know.
50:22 --> 50:27 So this is what I went with. I think we could do better, but.
50:27 --> 50:28 Okay, let's.
50:28 --> 50:39 I went Pocahontas because of the vibe I went with the vibe. It's got a woodsy vibe. The storytelling, and then she's got a love story.
50:40 --> 50:45 Yeah. I don't know what else.
50:47 --> 51:16 Let me ask you this. Could we say this is when Taylor Swift gets the closest to channeling her inner Walt Disney, the storyteller of folktales through different. When we're saying, like, peter Pan, we're not saying that she's a character in Peter Pan, but she's maybe the force behind telling the story of, you know.
51:16 --> 51:28 But are you suggesting that Walt Disney is your maybe or. But can he be a character? Have we established if he can or cannot be.
51:28 --> 51:53 Walt played a character like the version of Walt that would show on the tv show, the Disneyland tv show, or the wonderful World of Color. You could say that. That Walt the storyteller on screen is not the same person as the Walt that people would know as a boss or personally at home. He was playing a character of Walt Disney who was presenting the stories out to the world.
51:53 --> 52:03 And there is a little bit of escapism, maybe a lot of bit of escapism with folklore. Lots of storytelling. Yeah.
52:03 --> 52:12 She's maybe not in the story as much as outside the story telling it. For us, like, folklore not dissimilar to the rooster and Robin Hood.
52:12 --> 52:17 But I don't know why you keep going back to that. It's obviously not. We already said that that didn't happen.
52:17 --> 52:20 I just keep bringing it up because it seems to get a rise out.
52:20 --> 52:26 Of you of, like, he has no place.
52:26 --> 52:29 He does, but he's the narrator telling the story.
52:32 --> 52:36 He's in Robin Hood. He's a side character, but she's not.
52:36 --> 52:38 The main character in the stories she's telling.
52:39 --> 52:44 I like the Pocahontas. I like the Walt Disney. Even. No roosters.
52:44 --> 52:45 Thank you.
52:47 --> 52:57 So Evermore doesn't really have a Disney connection, but it's very connected to folklore. And like we said, it was connected to the long Pond studio sessions. But you have one for us?
52:57 --> 53:14 I have one. Okay. So we're going to jump from Wonderland in 1989 to the song on Evermore, long story short. And the lyric is, and I fell from the pedestal right down the rabbit hole. So we're back.
53:14 --> 53:17 We came back to. We came back.
53:17 --> 53:24 Alice in Wonderland. But is Alice in Wonderland the era of evermore the character?
53:24 --> 53:25 Absolutely not.
53:25 --> 53:33 Okay. Folklore. She's telling the story evermore. Is she still telling the story, or is the story back on her?
53:34 --> 53:48 A lot of it is back on her, but she's still telling a lot of other stories, too. All right, so Evermore has got the song Marjorie on it, which is about her grandmother and has her grandmother singing in it.
53:48 --> 53:48 Okay.
53:48 --> 53:51 We've got, like, champagne problems.
53:51 --> 53:53 I love that song.
53:53 --> 54:03 Dorothea is another storytelling song. So there are songs that are more, I would say, tailor coded about her, but there's a lot of storytelling on it as well.
54:03 --> 54:09 Yeah. And this one is the Flannel album, just so we're clean. This has more, like fall colors.
54:10 --> 54:24 So are we feeling. I'm going to throw a Hail Mary here and take a wild guess. Can I say kristoff in frozen two? Because he's lost in the woods, and he's kind of fall and flannely feeling.
54:25 --> 54:27 I went Elsa from frozen two.
54:27 --> 54:32 Okay. She becomes very natural in that one. And she gets back to her roots.
54:33 --> 54:35 Towards the end more.
54:35 --> 54:36 Yeah.
54:37 --> 54:40 Like Elsa. Where she lands in frozen two.
54:40 --> 54:41 Taylor Swift.
54:42 --> 54:43 I see it.
54:43 --> 54:58 I like that. And I like that I was not too far off Christophe. Guess I was just going based on flannel. Even though Christoph doesn't wear flannel, he kind of feels like he would be if it was, like, 100 years later.
54:59 --> 55:00 Yes.
55:00 --> 55:05 Oh, I was going to say that that power ballad Christoph has in frozen two, I think would go on 1989.
55:07 --> 55:17 That would be awesome. You all kind of lost me on the colors with folklore and evermore because they didn't have as defined of a vibrant color.
55:17 --> 55:17 You're right.
55:18 --> 55:22 So it's just because they're kind of beige, and it's more of the aesthetic.
55:22 --> 55:24 That's the aesthetic.
55:24 --> 55:28 Also, the braid in evermore is very Elsa. I forgot about that part.
55:28 --> 55:30 Oh, she just got to flip it over her shoulder.
55:30 --> 55:41 Well, yeah. So we have the braid, we have the flannel, the outdoorsy kind of feel. I like Elsa, but at the end of Frozen two, we have to specify.
55:41 --> 55:43 Elsa at the end of Frozen two.
55:43 --> 55:44 Yes.
55:44 --> 55:47 Cool. All right, let's get on to our next era.
55:47 --> 55:48 So excited again.
55:48 --> 55:59 We don't have a direct, like, disney, and Taylor Swift didn't do anything, but maybe there's some Disney references in the Taylor Swift of 2020 two's midnights.
56:01 --> 56:02 He doesn't know, does he?
56:03 --> 56:11 We just watched the bejeweled music video, but he doesn't know what we're talking about here. And it's kind of a Wonderland situation.
56:11 --> 56:23 Once again, I saw it, and it's very Cinderella. The stepsisters and Haim. Right. That's them. Are all the Stepsisters. And Laura Dern's in this. And I like me a good Laura dern starring role.
56:23 --> 56:24 That's all he could talk.
56:26 --> 56:30 I mean. Yeah, it's definitely a mean.
56:30 --> 56:46 I leaned into the Cinderella. I feel like she leaned into the midnight factor. And then when you come out with the bejeweled music video and start with the stepsisters and the whole vibe, I think she leaned into it. The color works.
56:46 --> 56:51 She chose Taylor Swift. She chose. She chose Cinderella.
56:51 --> 57:10 It's just that it's what she chose. I saw the video, like I said, laura dern. Wonderful. And then I knew the album was called Midnight's, but I didn't necessarily connect that that song and video were from that album. And then when you guys all put it together, I was like, oh, okay, I got you. So Cinderella.
57:10 --> 57:11 Cinderella.
57:11 --> 57:13 A darker blue. But it's Cinderella.
57:13 --> 57:14 Darker blue.
57:14 --> 57:43 The sky in Cinderella is a very dark blue at night. They just remastered it in four k and whatnot to make the dress bluer because it was kind of fading into white over the years on the film. So if you watch it now on Disney plus, it doesn't get dark blue, but it gets bluer, I will say. So that one was pretty easy. Is there anything else we have to mention about that? That one's kind of like cut and paste.
57:43 --> 57:50 I think that one is pretty easy. We can leave it Cinderella. We'll let you go into your next point here.
57:50 --> 58:14 Yes. So we have to stop and talk about this because this is after midnight, although we still have all of the Taylor's version album drops coming around this time, too. But kind of moving forward, we get into the era's tour. And so the era's tour happened. It was the biggest thing in the world. Ticketmaster basically started on fire.
58:14 --> 58:16 The Swifties broke it.
58:16 --> 58:22 The Swifties broke it because Ticketmaster thought they had this bulletproof system, and it just fell apart.
58:22 --> 58:24 We broke it.
58:24 --> 58:25 I was there, unfortunately.
58:26 --> 58:32 Yeah, but then you were fortunately there at some of the shows. Of the actual shows.
58:33 --> 58:36 I have been to multiple shows. I have one to go.
58:36 --> 58:38 And you got another one. Oh, my goodness.
58:39 --> 58:45 I did the first one. I worked really hard for. The second two were a little easier.
58:45 --> 58:46 A little.
58:47 --> 58:56 Just a to. You got to see the eras tour. I know Maddie didn't get to go to the era's tour in person.
58:56 --> 58:58 I saw the movie with.
58:58 --> 59:04 She saw the movie with her friends. I'm imagining Sarah. Were you there watching the movie, too, in your movie theater?
59:04 --> 59:06 I did go to the movie theater.
59:06 --> 59:08 I don't know about you, but I dressed up for the movie.
59:09 --> 59:14 I wore this cardigan, actually. Okay, so for the heiress tour. Let's talk about the heiress tour.
59:14 --> 59:16 Yeah, let's talk about it.
59:16 --> 59:22 I made friendship bracelets. For sure. I exchanged friendship bracelets with lots of people.
59:22 --> 59:23 Nice.
59:23 --> 59:30 My first day outfit, it was reputation tailor makeup and all.
59:30 --> 59:33 So you're basically tailor bounding.
59:34 --> 59:45 Basically, yes. It's a little tailor bounding. My second show, I was more lover era taylor. I had the heart rhinestones.
59:45 --> 59:46 Okay.
59:46 --> 59:56 Yeah. So I wanted to say, and I didn't say this earlier, but my post Disney world, post Eris tour, Disney World trip, there were people trading friendship bracelets at Disney World.
59:57 --> 59:59 So the friendship bracelets started to infiltrate.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:05 The Disney fandom they combined in some cases.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:06 Interesting.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:08 It has crossed for sure.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:18 That is pretty cool. And not only did it cross that way, but the eras tour movie is coming soon to Disney plus.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:21 It shall be watched over and over.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:47 Now how is that going to change? I know she's adding more songs for the Disney plus release. It's going to be kind of a big deal that way. But are you going to. This is a question to each of you individually. Are you going to dress up and sing in your. Is this going to be that good of an experience compared to seeing it in the theater, compared to seeing it live? How is that going to change this experience in your own home?
01:00:47 --> 01:01:13 It's going to be better than watching it on TikTok every night. That is a whole other. Okay, then I'll agree with that aspect of it. So I will say the movie compared to the concert, it was like crazier than any movie I've been to in my, literally, like, people were dressed up, people were trading bracelets, people were singing.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:15 That was me.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:25 And there was enough people to add because there's like moments of the eras tour that it's sort of rocky horror esque like, you have to participate, okay?
01:01:25 --> 01:01:31 You have to shout the things. There are things you're supposed to shout. There are things you're supposed to say.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:40 Is it like the frozen sing along at MGM studios where everyone has to, all the toddlers have to stand up and sing let it go and stuff like that?
01:01:40 --> 01:01:41 It's like that, yes.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:43 I will tell you to bring it back to density.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:44 Yeah.
01:01:44 --> 01:02:19 And then part of it too is like, we didn't talk about the surprise song factor. That's a little bit of like her adding extra songs. And she did take out some songs for the heiress tour in theater that are every night. And then she does her two surprise songs every night. It's part of the fun, that's part of the fandom is like, what is she going to sing? What do we want her to sing? Well, even if we saw the heiress tour, we haven't seen every surprise song because she's trying to sing every song from her entire catalog. So it's got people like, getting up at 05:00 a.m. Right now to watch the Sydney surprise songs.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:25 The surprise songs in the Arrows tour movie were our song from the debut album.
01:02:25 --> 01:02:26 Yes.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:28 And you're on your own, kid from midnight.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:36 Okay. Those are the immortalized surprise songs that you'll be able to watch on Disney plus coming soon.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:37 Yes.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:43 And she does not cover debut in the heiress tour. Unless it happens to be in a surprise song. It's the only one.
01:02:43 --> 01:03:21 Interesting. Will she ever. Taylor's version. The I knew you were going to debut because let me tie it back to Disney real quick because Disney has this habit of playing very close to the vest with Mickey Mouse and Snow White is another one that they won't just throw out there because those are their original treasures and they're the first ones and they don't mess around with have. Is it something like that with the first one or is it something like I'm just way too different now and I don't know what to do with this yet. Will she ever do it?
01:03:21 --> 01:03:30 She's doing it last. She already announced the order. Well, Taylor likes Easter eggs so that's another especially Pixar connection.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:31 Yeah.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:44 She is an Easter egg girl. So she has already released in her own Easter egg way. I think it involves emoji hearts of different colors. But ReptV is going to come next and then debut will be last.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:49 I feel like that makes sense. She's going to wait till the end for that one.
01:03:49 --> 01:04:07 I'm interested to see what she'll do with it because I think she could go kind of out there and do something different with that first one instead of some of the ones I have to double check if I hear. I'm like, is this a Taylor's version or is this the. Because she does cover so close. But there's an opportunity. Yeah.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:16 Debut is going to be the most different sound wise. I hear a lot of sound choices that are different in speak now. Not so much in figure list or.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:28 Red or even 1980 919 89 sounds the most similar. I think she made it like it's basically the same like how she sounds like her voice.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:31 Yeah, they're very that.
01:04:31 --> 01:04:41 Yeah, the heiress tour movie is going to be great. I mean, we don't know a lot about why all of the things recently are going to Disney plus over other places either.
01:04:42 --> 01:05:21 True. Disney just is trying. They're still trying to keep her close. They're still trying to keep her close because they know it's a big deal. She's big. And maybe they understand that the ven diagram between swifties and Disney fans is very overlapping. Right. Like there's a lot of people in both fandoms. As far as I don't know that the eras tour movie concert experience can be an era itself. But I'm just going to throw out there it would have to be something like phantasmic as not a character but like kind of a mashup of all those Disney things coming together. Like all those Taylor things.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:28 Can we say it's wish because wish was an Easter egg like it is an Easter egg.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:29 Wish was all the Easter egg.
01:05:29 --> 01:05:30 That's all it was.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:45 Mean. That's valid. I think, though, that the heiress tour was probably a bigger deal than wish. Unfortunately for Disney, the heiress tour movie in theaters, wish didn't hit as hard as they wanted it to.
01:05:45 --> 01:05:47 I still haven't seen wish either.
01:05:47 --> 01:05:47 Okay.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:48 All right.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:49 Are we going to cover?
01:05:50 --> 01:05:51 Yeah, we got to get.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:56 He said we weren't going to, but then I said we should. And he was like, well, we don't know because it hasn't come out yet.
01:05:57 --> 01:06:06 Yeah. So I originally didn't know if we should do it because we don't know what's going to come from this upcoming Taylor Swift era. So we're moving into it.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:07 We need to make a guest, though.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:09 We need to make a guest.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:14 So the tortured poets department is coming out later this year, a couple of months from now.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:15 April 19.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:18 April 19 is on my calendar. We're waiting.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:21 What do we expect this era to feel like?
01:06:21 --> 01:06:25 All right, so first of all, Disney connection.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:26 Yes.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:30 There is a track. The track list has been released called.
01:06:30 --> 01:06:30 Yes, it has.
01:06:30 --> 01:06:36 But daddy, I love him. Which is a line from the Little mermaid, right?
01:06:36 --> 01:06:36 Yes.
01:06:37 --> 01:06:46 And Taylor wore an aerial costume in 2019. I think it was for a new year's Eve party, not Halloween.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:48 But you're right.
01:06:48 --> 01:06:52 She definitely, and the Little Mermaid came out in guess what year?
01:06:52 --> 01:06:59 1989. I know that mostly because of Disney and less because of the connection you were trying to make there.
01:06:59 --> 01:07:27 So my connection, that's not my character for the era, but I think there is going to be like. I think we can expect that track to have sort of whoever's dad, whether it be hers or it's a storytelling track, does not want the protagonist to be with her love interest. Right. Because Taylor. Yeah. It's very intentionally called that. All right, so era vibe. We don't know a lot yet.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:33 I need to know, dad, have you seen the COVID Have you seen the picture?
01:07:33 --> 01:07:53 I have seen the COVID It's like black and white, and she's like, laying on a bed. But I'm more into the name because I'm going to throw out this guess. And then you guys could give the real guess, I guess because mine's going to be terrible, but I can't not think of the dead poet society. So I'm just like, is it Robin Williams? Oh, captain. My captain.
01:07:53 --> 01:07:53 Okay.
01:07:53 --> 01:08:01 Is the Disney character, because that movie is a Touchstone Pictures Disney film. So that's what I'm going with. But you guys tell me the real one that you might think.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:03 So we don't know that much about it. Yeah.
01:08:03 --> 01:08:09 We have new information, though, so there's a bonus track called albatross.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:11 Yes, I saw that.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:40 And there's some interesting things with that that we don't have to go into. But her outfit at the Grammys versus what an albatross looks like with the whites and then the black. So I think it's a color. We don't really know the color. I think since rep is black, this one's going to have to be white. It's got a black and white aesthetic. She was definitely in more white than black. So the funny answer is Wilbur from rescuers down under, who is an albatross?
01:08:41 --> 01:08:43 I was going to guess scuttle, but that's better.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:52 He's an. I mean, the aesthetic is a little cruella de ville, in my opinion.
01:08:52 --> 01:08:53 It is.
01:08:53 --> 01:08:55 But is she going to be evil?
01:08:55 --> 01:09:03 Like, see, we don't know that. So we have to go based off of the colors at this point. This is why the colors come into play. Do you see now? Do you understand?
01:09:03 --> 01:09:09 A little bit. And that's all we have to go off of right now. Some track listing what she wore to the Grammys and some.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:20 So I think we don't know about the story. We can speculate. But I mean, and Cruella also had, like, an origin movie. Like, she wasn't always a villain. Right. There's this whole.
01:09:20 --> 01:09:21 So.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:23 But aesthetically, I think Cruella Deville, I.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:48 Think so you guys like that? Well, we'll have to see. And then when it comes out and y'all listen to it, you'll have to let me know so I can give an update on our eras, as we called it. So I thought that was pretty fun. We got to go through all the eras. I learned a lot about Taylor Swift, and I feel more connected to her through. That's a. That's a good thing.
01:09:48 --> 01:09:49 That's a good for you, Maddie.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:58 Right? And so, first off, thank you both for schooling me on Taylor Swift and her connections with Disney.
01:09:58 --> 01:09:59 Oh, definitely.
01:09:59 --> 01:10:02 No problem. We've been doing this a long time, actually.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:02 Wow.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:10 Yes. Is there anything either of you have to plug or you want to mention before I close out the show?
01:10:11 --> 01:10:11 Okay.
01:10:11 --> 01:10:12 Go.
01:10:12 --> 01:10:19 I'm going to plug your previous Aerosmith episode. Let's re theme it to Taylor Swift. Rocket, roller coaster.
01:10:19 --> 01:10:30 Rock and roller coaster. Oh, that would be cool. So a campaign to get the. Maybe that's why Disney is trying to keep her close. It's supposed to go under refurbishment this summer.
01:10:30 --> 01:10:33 I just think it would be so much more fun for me.
01:10:36 --> 01:10:40 For you, specifically. A lot of people, though, too.
01:10:40 --> 01:10:41 I've never been on that ride.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:48 No, you never did. And then when we go this summer, I think it's supposed to be under refurbishment.
01:10:48 --> 01:10:49 That's okay.
01:10:49 --> 01:10:51 You don't need to see Aerosmith in a back.
01:10:52 --> 01:10:53 I'm okay.
01:10:53 --> 01:11:04 I went on it in June. That was only the second time I've been on it. And I was like, oh, my God, I forgot. It's a real roller coaster and goes upside down and everything right away. But it desperately needs a re theme at this point.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:10 Yeah. Even as an Aerosmith fan, it is feeling a little stale. That would be cool. That would be cool.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:11 That's all I got to say.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:14 I would be more definitely willing to ride it.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:16 Oh, yeah, you would?
01:11:16 --> 01:11:20 Like 100%. I would just be only there for sure.
01:11:20 --> 01:12:46 No, I like that. I like that. So there you go. That's what we're asking for. A rock and roller coaster, please. To Taylor Swift, please. Thanks to both of my guests, Maddie and Sarah, for telling me all about Taylor Swift. And thank you so much for listening to this episode of Synergy loves company. I truly appreciate you taking your time to listen to me talk about Disney with my friends and family in these podcast episodes. But I want to hear from you. Find me on the social, say hi. Let me know what you think about our eras. Do you think something different? Is there a better character you could put into one of those eras? I want to hear what you think. You can find me on Instagram and threads at synergylovescompany. If you are feeling like you get value from synergy loves company and you want to give some back, you can do that on Ko fi. If you look in the show description or go to synergylovescompany.com, you could find a link to my Ko fi page where you can give back to the show and help it keep going because every little bit helps. Another way you can help is by sharing the show to help it grow. Share Synergy loves company with your swifty friends who love Disney just as much as you do. Just tell them to go to synergylovescompany.com because sharing the show is the number one way you can support the show. And your support means the world to me. That's all for today. Thanks for exploring Disney's connections with me. And until next time, keep discovering the magic in everything.